To the rest of the world (and to most thinking individuals), stories of “surviving” Bob Jones University are akin to M*A*S*H Army Surgeon Major Frank Burns being awarded the Purple Heart¹ for “shell fragments”…
Egg – shell fragments.
Lately undocumented stories of abuse at Bob Jones University have been circulating across the net – being posted and re-posted on lesser blogs trying to get their traffic up (or sell merchandise)²[see updated footnote] by publishing something scandalous and salacious, all the while knowingly participating in rumor-mongering and hearsay by validating anonymous claims of sexual misconduct. Claims that range from rape (hetero and homosexual) to being “felt up” on a date – off campus.
These undocumented and unconfirmed stories are seemingly so numerous and pervasive that one has to wonder –
Did any student ever make it out of Bob Jones University unscathed?
The Disaffected say no.
None.
Zero.
All of you who attended BJU – and not just attended, but graduated – all of you BJU Alumni – you have all been abused. Oh, you may not realize it yet – but that’s just the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) talking. Just wait – eventually you will remember…
And when those suppressed memories start flooding back, please, The Disaffected beg, please send us “Your Story.”
But not all stories – not the good stories – just stories of abuse. We don’t care who or what you are. Just write and we will believe all of it – and swear by every word – and ban those who dare disagree or bring up uncomfortable realities.
These unproven and unverified derogatory tales solicited and posted by these anti-BJU websites and Facebook pages are not published and discussed to “help victims” – that’s a ruse – that’s the con, the trick, the cloak. That’s not the goal here. The true agenda driving these sites (and their creators) is not assistance or “change” or improving things at Bob Jones University, but loathing, vengeance and the ultimate goal of closing BJU.
Keep in mind – closure of BJU is the eventual and definitive goal.
When The Disaffected demand “changes” – total closure is the only “change” that will satisfy them.
Sadly, it appears that current BJU president, Dr. Stephen Jones, may be listening. Changes have been made. I’m not sure if Dr. Jones understands that no change will ever convince The Disaffected that BJU is no longer “a great wrong and a great evil.”³
Recently, one of the best definitions for The Disaffected came from an unlikely source – a book on history, politics and the future of liberty. The Disaffected’s hatred for BJU…
“…finds a receptive audience among the society’s disenchanted, disaffected, dissatisfied, and maladjusted who are unwilling or unable to assume responsibility for their own real or perceived conditions but instead blame their surroundings, ‘the system,’ and others. They are lured by the false hopes and promises of utopian transformation and the criticism of the existing society … Improving the malcontent’s lot becomes linked to the utopian cause. Moreover, disparaging and diminishing the successful and accomplished becomes an essential tactic … By exploiting human frailties, frustrations, jealousies, and inequities, a sense of meaning and self-worth is created in the malcontent’s otherwise unhappy and directionless life. Simply put, equality in misery – that is, equality of result or conformity – is advanced as a just, fair, and virtuous undertaking. Liberty, therefore, is inherently immoral, except where it avails equality.”*
One common bond among the BJU Disaffected is their desire for equality, fairness – the oft’ repeated phrase, “Because we are here, too” comes to mind. The BJU Disaffected desire some type of utopia where traditionalists, conservatives – fundamentalists – are compelled, not only to suppress their deeply held religious beliefs, but also required to agree with what they may see as aberrant behavior or a lifestyle that is contrary to centuries-old doctrine. Being “tolerant” is no longer good enough.
Dr. Jones – you are trying to change for the wrong people.
Forget The Disaffected – they will always disparage you and BJU no matter what you do.
We are the majority – the Un-abused Survivors of BJU (US of BJU) –
We are the ones that graduated and MOVED OUT of Greenville County.
We are the ones that eventually realized that our unaccredited degree was a minor problem – one that could be overcome by demonstrating our knowledge and abilities.
We are the ones that appreciate BJU – its frustrating (and sometimes humorous) flaws and its extraordinary strengths.
We are the ones that owe a great debt to faculty, staff and fellow students for what they taught us – life changing ideas, attitudes and concepts.
We are the ones that without BJU, entire families would not have existed.
Dr. Stephen Jones — we are the ones you should listen to.
US of BJU – not “them”…
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¹M*A*S*H, “The Kids”, 1975
²UPDATE: If you clicked on the merchandise link and found nothing, it appears that The Disaffected have removed their items from Cafe Press. Someone ripped off my scanned Demerit Slip from this blog… and was putting it on t-shirts, mugs, etc.
³From a survey by “Stearns Enterprises, RE: Objectives & Modes”, in response to the question: Would you be willing/able to help fund causes that undermine or alter BJU?, March 2011
*Mark R. Levin, Ameritopia: The Unmaking of America’s Freedoms, 2012, pp. 7 & 8
OK, I admit it. I’m coming clean. I too was abused by BJU.
Since you’ve requested stories, and you’ve promised to be believe EVERY WORD I write, well, here goes:
What traumatized me the very most was the mandatory hand-holding at the “till we meet again” service just before Christmas break.
The deal was, there was great pressure put on us all to grab hands with the folks standing next to us and sing “till we meet again.” As this really violated the social rules of the institution, it caused sticklers like me to really sweat. What if it’s all a trap to get me expelled! How can this rule change just like that! It was all very confusing. No doubt, deliberately sowing confusion about the status of the rules, and upending the social conventions, was an act of abuse that, if people were honest, affected a whole lot more people than just me.
Add to that, the discussions that took place, mostly in the dorms, about who various folks hoped were standing next to them. Some said they hoped that a hot looking girl was next to them. Others recited names of particularly ugly girls they planned to specially avoid sitting next to during that last service. “You know, that really fat ugly girl that sits behind Joe in Mystery of Civ! Pity the poor guy stuck sitting next to HER!!!” Others described their revulsion if they were required to hold hands with another male! Ugh, that could really cause psychosexual disorders in the uber-macho amongst the student body!
Then there were people like me: very shy males who never touched a female except their moms to hug them. Basically, I didn’t want to hold hands with anybody, at any time, and certainly not with complete strangers of either sex. I still don’t, 30 years later.
So there’s my tale of abuse. I hope that’s what you were looking for, CEO.
John Pittman Hey
Class of 83
John — Just to be clear, The Hidalgo Grain Company is a refuge – a “shelter in the time of storm” – a place of comfort for the BJU UN-abused.
And — after re-reading your comment…
Welcome.
Wow, it feels so warm and caring here!
Your blog really struck a nerve with Chris Peterman, Mr. CEO. He posted a hot under the collar comment on his personal page and basically consigned you to the nether regions of the unquenchable fire and brimstone where the worm dieth not and there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. He was really mad.
@John Pittman Hey: I understand your perspective and the spirit in which you penned it. I am a person who likes my space. I am not a hugger; I don’t even like shaking hands and catch myself often wiping my hand off right after shaking hands with someone. When I was at BJU I never liked the hand-holding thing either in chapel because it was just plain gross holding hands with a guy, and most of the girls still had cooties as far as I was concerned. I always got to a restroom to wash my hands as quick as I could.
Mr. CEO, in my opinion this was the most incredible piece of good sense I have ever read on a blog. I have my own issues with BJU, but I will not let that overshadow everything else. BJU in no way deserves the abuse being doled out by the disenfranchised and disaffected, of which I was shamefully a part of until my thought processes departed from their agenda and I began to ask questions.
“Your blog really struck a nerve with Chris Peterman, Mr. CEO. He…consigned you to the nether regions of the unquenchable fire and brimstone where the worm dieth not and there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. He was really mad.”
::roll eyes::
Fundamentalists — you HAVE to let them have their Hell…
Ditto to the mandatory once-a-year hand holding at Christmas. And if that wasn’t enough, there was the year I was forced to hold the hand of a Chinese girl! The trauma of that conflict is with me to this day!
To JA…R,
Solidarity, my brother!
I know if we all share our personal stories of abuse by BJU, it will only make us stronger. As we tell them, others will no doubt pull up their repressed memories of the suffering they underwent.
Who would have known that the CEO could provide so therapeutic a forum for the abused?
John Pittman Hey
I sat next to a Chinese grad student in Systematic Theology. He said the only thing we white people had in common was the smell of soured milk.
So, I doubt if she remembers you – unless the fridge quits…
I can see both sides of the coin on this one. I mean, who wants to be the one who says “I don’t believe that story”? Whether it’s a written or spoken testimony of abuse, no one wants to be the one who doubts the authenticity, sincerety or the details and comes to a not-so-favorable conclusion. On the other hand, when you hear a story that raises eyebrows or red flags, you don’t want to be the person who blindly believes everything they were just told only because A.) you’re willing to believe any traumatic story if it means the demise of the university; B.) You don’t want to be the doubter; C.) You can’t lose face with the other disaffected.
And I still have issue with these questions because there isn’t one of the disaffected who has the integrity to answer them…
1. Why is it that if someone questions them (the disaffected) on anything, we are automatically categorized as someone who supports sexual abuse and covering it up. Why can’t a question just be asked and answered without the verbal flogging?
2. Anyone who criticizes, disagrees with or doesn’t support the disaffected 100% is accused of blindly following the cult (BJU, in their opinion)…drinking the koolaid of fundamentalism…freely allowing the wool to be pulled over our eyes. But that is exactly what they expect us to do with them. Believe them without question. Follow their lead or go away. If you protest too much, they will ship you from their fb page. Can they not see their own hypocrisy? How do they justify that?
3. If their fb pages and blogs are only to help the abused, why not make the title reflect that? If I was a victim of abuse, looking for support in the form of a forum, chat room etc…Do Right BJU would not get my attention. It wouldn’t speak to me as a place to go for support. Even after going to the page…the guest posts are about accreditation, being harrassed by the dean of men or dean of students, websites to get anti-BJU “stuff” and a bunch of childish arguing. Yes, there are moderator posts that advertise the JVC (good for them) and there are videos of others who have been abused…if you can handle them being read by the melodramatic Mr. Peterman. What good are they doing? Do they understand that people see right through to their agenda? Don’t they get it that the only ones who believe that they are really helping victims are they themselves and a few blind sheep?
4. Where is the one person who has enough integrity to honestly answer these questions?
On the flip side, what else are they to do with these stories? Someone sends in a story of their abuse for the disaffected to share and they have to do something with it. If they questions the person and the person is telling the truth, then it will cause disturst, anger, hard feelings etc. And that person has become a victim of the disaffected’s doubt and mistrust. The other angle is that they (the disaffected) believe (or give the impression of believing) someone who is lying. It’s horrifically troubling to think that someone would do that but it happens. It’s the world we live in. There are some sick people with an ax to grind or some attention to reap. Do they believe and support the lying ones because “they just have to”? And the person might not be fully lying…but is altering the story a smidge to save face. Maybe the person was “involved” with the alleged abuser but was afraid to go “all the way” so they’ve altered the story a bit to give off more of a victim image. And before anyone scoffs at this, it does happen! So what’s the solution?
In his status update on his Facebook wall about this blog post, Peterman used several of those expletives he couldn’t use until after he graduated. Hasn’t he seen the news and myriad pages all over the internet?!? He didn’t get to graduate, and therefore he does not get to use that kind of language yet!
I greatly appreciate this post. I’m not going to give “my story” here, but I actually did come from an abusive home of unbelieving parents. The abuse was physical and verbal. Please don’t send my story to the DRBJU folks!
When I went to BJU, I thought I had gone to heaven not to have to put up with what went on at home. I quickly learned that the place wasn’t perfect – neither the staff there, nor the students. But I experienced the love of Christ in that place from people who really cared about me and who wanted to see me follow Christ. I owe far more to the people giving their lives in service there than I could ever repay in this lifetime.
And as for that abusive home I came from? I used to wonder why God let me go through that in my childhood. Then as life went on and as I grew in Christ, the Lord has given me opportunities to minister to people individually who came from homes similar to mine. I was able to share with them the forgiveness found in Christ – forgiveness for my own sins and then, as one who has been forgiven, forgiveness for those who wronged me. Forgiveness instead of harboring bitterness and seeking revenge. It’s powerful stuff, this forgiveness found in and through Christ!
I have a sibling who has never come to Christ for forgiveness and who now, as an adult, has a horribly dysfunctional family of people who cannot forgive each other and whose relationships keep becoming more and more dysfunctional all the time. It’s incredibly sad to witness it all!
Peterman? Is he still out there?
I thought he’d be back at Walmart by now.
Extremely well written.
kingsguinevere — Once you understand that the purpose of these stories is not to help the abused but to destroy BJU, many of your questions are answered.
1. & 2. If anyone questions the integrity of these abuse stories, The Disaffected pounce – because asking legitimate questions allows for doubt and does not promote the goal of closing of the university.
3. Again, the motivation driving these sites & FB pages is revenge – a focused loathing. And the focus is on closing BJU – not improving or changing, but closing.
4. No one can believe any of these “abuse stories” without proper documentation. This is one area where we cannot exercise faith – we need to see evidence. Strange that so many Atheists comment on these anti-BJU pages asking us to just “believe” these claims when, on any other occasion, they would demand evidence.
Oh, yes Mr. CEO–shooting his mouth off more than ever. You know, either the disaffected have been so blinded by their anger, bitterness, and desire for revenge that they cannot see their own hypocrisy, or they know it full well and don’t care. Listening to them argue, making their memes, and watching them attack visitors to the page who ask questions, watching them employ the exact same mind-control and power tactics that they accuse BJU of using . . . . I have asked them (before getting banned) what makes them any different from what they condemn in BJU. They have NEVER answered that question and that question gets me banned every time.
They have struck a note that resonates with certain people and it is getting them a lot of attention. But look at their numbers. They are really not that big of a group. DRBJU has over 1000 likes now, but there are nowhere near than many who post on the page. Except for Peterman and the usual “truthers” who post, the page is virtually dead beyond that. Do they REALLY have that many likes? The Truth Seekers last time I visited that den of vipers had less than 300. Compare that to 10,000 likes for the BJU page and how many more out there who don’t use FB, but who still support or at least have positive feelings toward the BJU. Just a few people with some bags of stink bombs can stir up quite a smell. One little experiment gone wrong in my science lab would stink up the entire school building so much that when a farmer 10 miles upwind sprayed the liquid manure on his field, I would get blamed for doing another “experiment” in the lab . . . ..
Exactly, kingsguinevere! Very well stated.
He’s “out there” all right … out there if he thinks the Disaffected are his real friends. As long as he’s their lackey, carrying their polluted water, he’ll continue to be their “friend.” But just let him start to see some real truth and/or question them on something, and his little honeymoon will end abruptly. Why, even Jocelyn Zichterman commented several times in the wall update where he used expletives about you! She heaped all kinds of praise on him, basically for being a male who actually gets it. I wonder how far off the inevitable wall he’s going to hit is. Time will tell, as it has for other “friends” of the Disaffected. Reminds me of the old saying “There’s no honor among thieves.” They will turn on each other like a door on a well greased hinge.
Very well written post, CEO. Thank you. It is interesting that you used that quotation in your post, as I have been thinking along the same lines in reference to the OWS crowd, and which is the true 1% and not the 99%.
I believe that finding fault, blaming someone else, criticizing, being negative, gossiping, ignoring our own failings while being irrationally preoccupied with the supposed failings of someone or something else are all natural ways of thinking and behaving.
What is unnatural, or supernatural, or spiritual is to CHOOSE to recognize our own failings, be humble, be positive, and to leave most things in the hands of God. This is learned behavior, and it takes work.
And here’s the thing…I know the answers…just like you stated. It’s their answers that seem to always elude me. I know their sites are about nothing except destoying BJU…it couldn’t be more obvious. And the more they protest, the more obvious it becomes. I want to hear one of the disaffected answer these questions. They won’t because they are cowards hiding behind a wall of self-proclaimed do-right activism that has more holes in it than moth-eaten diaper (although the contents are the same).
When you understand that the agenda of the disaffected is the total destruction of BJU, their sometimes contradictory reactions become understandable.
Accreditation: They bring up the problems that an alumnus with regionally unaccredited degree faces. When the school announces that they are going to pursue accreditation they go to the accreditation board to torpedo the schools chances of getting accreditation.
Student Enrollment: They attempt in all their internet and personal interaction to steer prospective students away from BJU. When they are successful, and the enrollment is down, they criticize the school for the heartless downsizing that these economic realities produce.
Transparency: They demand that the school place themselves in a position of accountability to several internal and external authorities; they block you from posting on their groups when you ask them to play fair. Disagree with them about their agenda, and find out how little they believe in free speech.
Compassion: They are champions of the numerous alleged rape victims that BJU has covered up in their massive conspiracy over the years. They don’t mind taking cheap shots at Stephen Jones in the middle of his illness.
Judgementalism: You are never allowed to question them about a life so seethed in bitterness that it consumes several hours of their time daily to beat on their agenda. They don’t mind assigning the most sinister of motives to everyone remotely associated with the University.
Most of us have some level of conflicted feelings toward the University. I don’t think I would call it PTSD, although I really still have some strange dreams about my time there. In reality I welcome some of the changes they have made there. I also don’t believe they have changed that much. I never want to criticize a good change. Moving on is expecting that God can change anyone he chooses to including me.
In short BJU not the center of my world anymore. I moved all the way over to Anderson County.
SidVicious, you have concisely written down some things that I have been thinking, but that I hadn’t tried to put into words. Now I don’t need to. Thanks!
The Disaffected do not want to see BJU change for the better, which the school is, in fact, doing, as you have pointed out. The Disaffected seem to be working overtime to thwart changes for the better, all the while disparaging BJU, no matter what they do. BJU is darned if they do, and darned if they don’t – they cannot do anything right, in the eyes of the Disaffected. I think we are seeing why Scripture urges us repeatedly to leave vengeance to the Lord. The human heart seeking revenge can never see enough suffering to satisfy its lust for vengeance.
Something that I find particularly curious is the ever increasing presence of homosexuals posting links and comments on the Facebook pages of the Disaffected. Do they really think the university is ever going to affirm their chosen lifestyle (or, as Jerry Thacker puts it, deathstyle)? Knowing how unlikely it is that BJU would affirm their sin, they seem to have insinuated themselves in with the drumbeat of those demanding that BJU “do right.” Very strange bedfellows, so to speak. Or maybe not….
Pilgrim — Strange you mention the growing Gay Factor. Seems The Disaffected approve of almost any type of lifestyle unless that way of living originated at or proceeds from BJU or another conservative Christian college.
My hope is BJU will take steps to further distance themselves from anything remotely resembling the lifestyle promoted by the LGBT activists, which now includes Peterman, Zichterman, Do Right BJU, Truth Seeking Graduates of Bob Jones and Bob Jones University Survivors.
And, of course, the “Gay of the Day” blog by gay activist Hoffman.
If you are white, conservative, Christian, heterosexual and male — you are the enemy…
In looking at Peterman’s “friends” on Facebook, I noticed that he is friends with many of the people whose “stories” have been featured on the lgbt-bju.org blog. Several days after he was suspended from school, I saw that he spent the evening at a coffee shop with two people whose stories have been shared on that blog. Interesting, no?
As I’ve said (was it as far back as August 2011?) — the biggest supporters of The Disaffected are:
1) Vocal feminists
2) Weak effeminate males
3) Homosexual activists
Is it possible to differentiate between Bob Jones University Survivors and the new BJU Survivors? The Bob Jones University Survivors has been working hard to clean up the place and that is why the “disaffected” have gone and started BJU survivors. Two different groups and two different agendas. Maybe Survivors I and Survivors II? That might be confusing to some who haven’t been around to see who came first.
What I find interesting is the increasing number of homosexual activists among them who say they are BJU Alumni/former students. Maybe they are. It does not seem that they are promoting any sense of “equality” however. If one does not accept the WHOLE of the LGBT position, then one is a “homophobe.” Those who are heterosexual and have no desires for any part of the LGBT lifestyle are apparently also “homophobes.” I just seem to pick that up from the things they say. While they condemn everyone else as intolerant, they are absolutely intolerant of anything and anyone that does not fully embrace their LGBT lifestyle. They are actually promoting the whole-sale cramming of their position upon everyone, INCLUDING the idea that anyone who does not whole-heartedly embrace their position is guilty of a “hate crime” and should face criminal prosecution. Freedom of religion is morphing into freedom of sexual orientation while no one who is not openly accepting of the LGBT agenda and can prove it, will be a criminal.
They hate BJU and all things IFB, and in a more general sense maybe all things religious that are not openly accepting of the LGBT lifestyle. Soon, churches which do not have at least one LGBT on their pastoral staff will be considered cults? Is that too far-fetched? It seems as though the mark of true godliness and Christ-likeness will be defined by one’s sexual orientation in so far that it is not restricted to only heterosexuality. But, according to them what does any heterosexual know? We are homophobic bigots who just don’t “get it.” We are the ones with the problem, while they are the ones with the only true understanding of Christ and the Scriptures.
It is impossible for them to just leave BJU alone, they must DESTROY the place as the den of serpentine, Satanic evil that it represents to them while they are totally blind to the fact that all the ills of society have been with us in some way, shape, or form since the dawn of humanity. Most of them reject the idea of creation. But regardless, the problems are rooted in the fact of the human sin nature and there is not a one of us who is without sin . . . no…not one single one of us.
Why do they act just like–actually far worse–than those they condemn? They do it because it’s the same dance (power and control), just a different tune.
“And, of course, the “Gay of the Day” blog by gay activist Hoffman.”
I felt a shiver of fear for poor Christopher Peterman when Hoffman attempted to drive more traffic to his dying blog by highlighting the Peterman debacle. When Hoffman said “my young friend Chris Peterman,” I definitely heard that in Paul Lynde’s voice……
Here at The Hidalgo Grain Company we make no distinction.
There really is no difference between the two groups. The second one was started by Hoffman (if we’re speaking of the same one) when there were too many people standing up and speaking against the gay agenda. I don’t think he could handle all the dissention. LOL Plus, some extreme trouble makers were banned from the first group. So he went and started the second group and many of the same people joined that one. He claimed one could speak freely without being banned if they belonged to that group. But that didn’t last long. Pretty soon, everyone was kicked out who didn’t openly support the gay pride movement. Then he made the big announcement on the first survivor group that if you wanted to be in the 2nd group, you had to be his personal friend first. Once you were approved by him, then you had a free pass to the gay survivors group.
The first survivor group is basically a promotional page for the gay page. It’s claim or description is this…
“Do you panic when you see a member of the opposite sex and no chaperon is in sight? Do you still make your bed every morning and take out the trash? Do you still feel just a little bit naughty when you walk across the grass or stay out past 10:30? This group is for you.
… (blah, blah, blah)
This group has never been “for” or “against” the school. It’s a collection of alumni, for better or for worse. Most of us have mixed feelings about the school, and many haven’t sorted out everything they think about it yet. That’s cool. Mutual respect is all we ask.”
Nearly every bit of that group description is a joke. They don’t care about mutual respect. If you, in any way, disagree with an LGBT over anything…it’s because you’re an intollerant bigot – whether the topic was homo related or not. But it usually is since that’s mostly what gets posted on that page. If you back up your conviction with scripture then you are taking God’s word out of context. You absolutely cannot be right about anything to do with the bible on any subject because you don’t support the LGBT agenda. They are complete hypocritical bafoons over there. I haven’t seen any effort on their part to change anything on their page. I’ll believe it when I see Hoffman’s name off their frequent flyer list.
Sorry to have to tell you, CEO, but I succeeded in finding the new BJU Survivors group on Facebook this morning – http://www.facebook.com/groups/293942203996580 It’s a closed group – “Due to some drive by thread hiders, this group is now closed for privacy. Feel free to request admittance for membership.” At least 3 of the admins are homosexuals, and most of the pictures I could see on the front page are among the most negative commenters on the other FB pages. I guess they needed a place where they could say what they really think?!
Ken,
I needed to guffaw this morning. Haven’t thought of Mr. Lynde in ages.
Thanks!
In contrast to finding that group on Facebook, I also found a message preached this past Sunday by Chris Anderson. His blog post about it has a link to the mp3. I recommend it highly to you all. His is a voice of biblical-ness in room full of noise. http://mytwocents.wordpress.com/2012/05/23/jesus-and-homosexuality-mp3
You can’t fix stupid, and stupid is what this entire dialogue and website is about. A history of stupid. A record of stupid. And I mean on BOTH sides of the argument. BOTH sides are stupid. If you ever worked there, you are STUPID, if you ever attended school there you are STUPID, if you hate BJU, you are stupid. If you love BJU, you are stupid. It is such an insignificant racist cult that it does not warrant any attention other than to say it is STUPID. Even this grain company is a splinter-up-my-arse STUPID thing which emanates from righteous anger, but as a moth to the flame… you will be as stupid as the school you attended. FLAMING STUPID.
“…this grain company is a splinter-up-my-arse…”
Blimey.
Is Buckwheat really as stupid as he/she sounds? Infatuated with the word “stupid.” My momma always used to say stupid is as stupid does.” –Forrest, Forrest Gump.
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